the new testament states that a warrant was issued for the arrest of jesus and that judas was the man that turned him in.. this warrant would have carried a description of the man that called himself the king of the jews, however this description did not find it's way into the bible.. this seem's a bit odd in particular since after all it would be interesting to know what the messiah really looked like.. i mean, think about it, if you had the chance to record the events of a man of such importance would you not include a description of his image?.
the appearance of jesus has been a subject of disscusion amongst many jw's (and other christians aswell i'm sure) and i remember many such occassions when the topic was being discussed and needles to say the opinions on this matter differed greatly.. the one opinion however that usually prevailed was that of a strong well built man, after all he was a carpenter etc.... as i said there is no such description in the bible, however, it was reported by josephus in his "capture of jerusalem".. now, i don't know whether this report is a genuine one or not, maybe jh can throw some light on that, but a copy of josephus description has survived in slavonic texts and it paints a picture quite at odds with the image many people have painted for themselves:.
'...a man of simple appearance, mature age, dark skin, small stature, three cubits high, hunchbacked with a long face, long nose, and meeting eyebrows, so that they who see him might be affrighted, with scanty hair with a parting in the middle of his head, after the manner of the nazarites, and with an undeveloped beard.'.
That sounds about right really. People WERE smaller then. In the Cleveland Art Museum they have a medievel suit of armor for horse and man. A 5-foot-tall female would be hard pressed to fit into it. The total weight of the armor was over 200 pounds! Imagine a man 4'6" carrying a load that big into battle!
It doesn't detract from his accomplishments if he was short. Everyone else was probably pretty short then, too.
Besides, Mom always said it ain't what you got, it's how you use it...
has anyone on this board ever experienced contact with demons?.
i have heard demons talked about for years, however i have never known anyone that has had any real experiences with them, i have only heard storys.. .
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You said, "she was no vintroloquist".
With all due respect, how do you know she wasn't? Whether consciously or not, she could very well have been the source of the voices. Who ever tested her medically or tried to discern the reason for the occurrences?
It's just easier to say, 'oh, yes, see, DEEMINZ!' and shudder.
jesus, save me from your followers!.
i do work for food!
"God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat Him."
in one of the threads i read today, they were talking about looking into your eyeballs to diagnose cancer and the like.
also selling herbs.. my comment and question is this: it seemed like in my congregation and the surrounding ones, alot of the sisters were into kineseology, reflexology, herbs, vitamins, color therapy, aroma therapy, etc.. alot of touchy feely hippie crap.
while i personally agree that there needs to be more synergy with eastern and western medicines, it would appear reading the boards that alot of witnesses are into this sort of stuff.. is this your experience?
uh... RHW... Adele Davis died of CANCER.
Caveat emptor. "let the buyer beware'
i wrote this to randy walters last year and would like your views on it.. .
dear randall.
i have a lot to say but won't bore with the details, a brief introduction would be appropriate.
You Don't KNow Dick said,
"Hey, she don't call herself Mommie Dark for no good reason. / You Know"
Of course you Jehoobersuckers like to pretend there is some demonic evil reason for the name, because you always speak out of your slime-filled fearful hearts.
She calls herself Mommie Dark, you horse's ass, because she married Papa Dark.
And deeminz had NOTHING to do with it.
i wrote this to randy walters last year and would like your views on it.. .
dear randall.
i have a lot to say but won't bore with the details, a brief introduction would be appropriate.
if I had experienced those things my first stop would be my doctor, to rule out brain tumor, night terrors, or other physical causes. My next step would be to get a videocam and record every minute of my sleeptime. What I would never do is consult some witch doctor in disguise of an elder or other religiopsycho. They just feed the fear without offering any actual assistance besides petitioning some skydaddy and blaming the victim. I would definitely consult a sleep expert and probably get a trusted friend or neutral adviser to observe my 'prime time' of experience.
What I would NOT do is whinge about deeminz and reject any advice that didn't agree with my established religioprejudices.
You know NOTHING about my experience or what tunes I can sing. You obviously don't want help reviewing the alternatives, you want someone to validate your theory that associating with JWs led you to demonic attack. If this fantasy comforts you or you need that fantasy to feel important to God, why bother to ask for others' opinions?
i wrote this to randy walters last year and would like your views on it.. .
dear randall.
i have a lot to say but won't bore with the details, a brief introduction would be appropriate.
wake up choking night after night? Have you consulted a PHYSICIAN? Why assume from the gate that it's DEEMINZ?
See this is what I mean about our preconceptions and religious indoctrination coloring our perception of events.
BYW this IS a classic description of night terrors. My advice, see a doctor ASAP and rule out physical symptoms before calling the exorcist.
has anyone on this board ever experienced contact with demons?.
i have heard demons talked about for years, however i have never known anyone that has had any real experiences with them, i have only heard storys.. .
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I recommend the film 'Phenomenon' for those of you struggling with the seemingly unexplainable. It details how a normal guy deals with extraordinary experiences, and it might make you think outside your accustomed box regarding the 'unexplainable'.
There could be literally a thousand explanations for these phenomena. The tendency to see evil in the experiences is IMO a conditioned response. Whit Streiber talks about the perception of unexplainable occurrences in one of his books. He shared an 'abduction' experience with a child. He was terrified and viewed what was happening as a hideous thing. The child, OTOH, was quite relaxed and open to what was happening, and viewed the 'abductors' as angels, not creepy aliens. Your perspective of an experience colors it. Your preconceptions color your experience.
Personally, I think there are energies we haven't yet measured, and they affect us in ways we haven't yet begun to study. I don't reject any such 'supernatural' experience out of hand, but I refuse to label them with the old prejudicial fear-filled labels I was taught as a Churchian. JWs taught us that the world is a 'demon-filled void.' I refuse to accept that idiotic notion. Ignorance leads us to irrational fear of the unknown. It also leads us to defend our prejudices and accompanying fears, especially when they have a religious basis.
I believe the fear of the unexplained is the reason humans invented religion in the first place.
one day, an expert in time management was speaking to a group of business students and, to drive home a point, used a illustration those students will never forget.. as he stood in front of the group of high-powered overachievers he said,"okay,.
time for a quiz.
" and he pulled out a one-gallon, wide-mouth mason jar and set it on the table in fornt of him.. he also produced about a dozen fist-sized rocks and carefully placed them, one at a time, into the jar.
It's stupid to try to justify toting a Mason jar full of metaphysical rocks around. I dropped all that extraneous God crap after I learned to think for myself. No jar, no rocks, no dilemma. No god necessary. Just life, unadulterated with imaginary skydaddies and untrammeled by the orgiastic need for some 'spiritual' experience or 'guidance'.
Herd animals need to be led. The concepts of sin and salvation are potent carrot/stick devices, but I refuse to get in that harness and I totally repudiate the veracity of the whole religion grinding mechanism. If you need to be led, fine, go find the salvation package that comforts you, and work the program. Probably you wouldn't be able to survive on your own anyway. Herd animals need their pecking order to feel secure. Just don't tell me I need to join your herd.
It's also not my business to find you a replacement crutch just because you are too scared to think for yourself without the guidance of some hierarchical dogma. Most JWs ask 'what replacement are you offering?' and that is a stupid question. THe whole point is, you're supposed to follow the path ON YOUR OWN. It's not our place to give you a roadmap and mollycoddle you along the safest path. That's Christer interfering authoritarian thinking, and it's one of the great EVILS of our world.
at this particular district assembly, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses dresses down the faithful as well as themselves.. .
"cults suck"
Uh... I think Champs is new here kidz...:D
